Acer Nitro AN517-51 Power Limit Problem

pentastra

Hi everybody,
First, sorry for my English.
This is my first topic and for message here.
I bought Acer Nitro 5 AN517-51 before a week, everything was perfect. But sometimes my latop was a little bit hot. I searched and ı found a way for cooling the laptop "undervolting". I installed Intel XTU and i did a stress test, then i saw the yellow line "Power Limit Throttling". Sometimes EDP/Current Limit Throttling was yellow.
I searched them, watched many videos, read many articles but i couldn't find any solution about it. By the way i installed Throttlestop and i made some settings for undervolting and solving the power limit (when try to stress test, PL1 and/or PL2 is red/yellow). I tested many times but i couldn't solve it. When I perform the stress test, my cpu (load is 100) is about 2.9-3.1 ghz. and when i try it with undervolting, it is 3.3-3.4 ghz. And my cinebench 20 performance is 2323 (my maximum performans with undervolting settings).
By the way, when cpu isn't 100 load, free, i can see it is 4.1-4.3 ghz. I didn't understand.
here is my latop's link: https://www.acer.com/ac/tr/TR/content/model/NH.Q5DEY.003
I hope i can find a solution here. If you any question about this, i'm waiting.
Thanks for all helping from now.
Good day to all.

batmalin

Power limit throttle means to me that the cpu has not enough power to operate at the desired speed... BTW 73C is far away from overheat.

batmalin

Why did you have done all this in a first place? 64C is the only temp visible on the screens ane you haven`t mention it in your post (except "little hot")so if this is the problem and I wouldn`t agree that this is a real problem. My recommendation is, in case you have an issue operating the intel SW to ask their forums for solution, as I can`t see any issue as stated above.

pentastra

batmalin said:

You did you have done all this in a first place? 64C is the only temp visible on the screens ane you haven`t mention it in your post (except "little hot")so if this is the problem I wouldn`t agree that this is a real problem. My recommendation is, in case you have an issue operating the intel SW to ask their forums for solution, as I can`t see any issue as stated above.

Thank you for your answer.

Here is my another intel xtu stress test. i added it to below. Laptop's tempereture is about 73 celcius degree. Also i opened Nitro Sense Application, and i selected High Performance. I always use a cooler under my laptop. 

My main problem is about "Power Limit Throttling". I cannot use my cpu with max performance. When I start the benchmark (or stress test), i always see "Power LimitThrottling" and sometimes "Current/EDP Limit".

By the way, you can see the undervolting is -0.136V on the right side.

batmalin

What happens when you remove the undervolt and use it with stock voltages?

batmalin

Power limit throttle means to me that the cpu has not enough power to operate at the desired speed... BTW 73C is far away from overheat.

pentastra

batmalin said:

Power limit throttle means to me that the cpu has not enough power to operate at the desired speed... BTW 73C is far away from overheat.

Yes i don't any problem with laptop's tempereture. How can i solve "enough power to cpu" ? I use original adapter, also I bought my laptop before 1 week ago.

batmalin said:

What happens when you remove the undervolt and use it with stock voltages?

Without undervolting, when i start the benchmark (or stress test) my cpu works around 3.2-3.4 ghz. Here is the test's result. Laptop's tempereture is around 71 celcius.

 

batmalin

pentastra said:

batmalin said:

Power limit throttle means to me that the cpu has not enough power to operate at the desired speed... BTW 73C is far away from overheat.

Yes i don't any problem with laptop's tempereture. How can i solve "enough power to cpu" ? I use original adapter, also I bought my laptop before 1 week ago.

Just don`t undervolt it.

https://www.cdsparts.com/p-10625-acer-predator-helios-300-ph315-52-hard-drive-hdd-cable-50q5mn4005.aspx said:

What happens when you remove the undervolt and use it with stock voltages?

Without undervolting, when i start the benchmark (or stress test) my cpu works around 3.2-3.4 ghz. Here is the test's result. Laptop's tempereture is around 71 celcius.

 

Looks good any drops in the performance?

batmalin

BTW watch this video it might help you to get rid of the Power Limit Throttle. https://youtu.be/U6LgeE56cQ4<br

pentastra

batmalin said:

pentastra said:

batmalin said:

Power limit throttle means to me that the cpu has not enough power to operate at the desired speed... BTW 73C is far away from overheat.

Yes i don't any problem with laptop's tempereture. How can i solve "enough power to cpu" ? I use original adapter, also I bought my laptop before 1 week ago.

Just don`t undervolt it.

https://www.cdsparts.com/p-10625-acer-predator-helios-300-ph315-52-hard-drive-hdd-cable-50q5mn4005.aspx said:

What happens when you remove the undervolt and use it with stock voltages?

Without undervolting, when i start the benchmark (or stress test) my cpu works around 3.2-3.4 ghz. Here is the test's result. Laptop's tempereture is around 71 celcius.

 

Looks good any drops in the performance?

Thank you again for replying my questions.
You can see the cpu speed is 3.2 ghz, but we know i7 9750h cpu is up to 4.5 ghz. But when cpu load 100, cpu speed is 3.2 ghz without undervolt, cpu hasn't enough power to operate. Power limit is 45w , Turbo limit is 56.25w and i can't increase the power of the processor higher.
I want to solve this problem.

batmalin

Other possible solution is to uninstall throttle stop.

pentastra

batmalin said:

BTW watch this video it might help you to get rid of the Power Limit Throttle. https://youtu.be/U6LgeE56cQ4

Yes I watched it but it didn't help, because my laptop doesn't have turbo boost enable or disable options in InsydeH20 (v5.0) Bios. 

batmalin said:

Other possible solution is to uninstall throttle stop.

I did it, but still same.

Thank you very much for helping. But it is probably about firmware or system problem and i can't change it with software. I think like that after that. Perhaps in the future, it can be change with new Bios update. I hope.

batmalin

This is another one but I do not recommend it:

Open device manager 

Click on System devices 

Find Intel(R) Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Processor Participant

Right click and uninstall device (make sure you click delete driver software) and then Scan for hardware changes 

you should find an unknown PCI Data Acquisition and Signal processing controller, right click and disable this.

this should usually work but NOTE: that windows will automatically update the driver and restore it back so you need to change both your Ethernet and WiFi settings to metered connections in the windows settings for network and internet.

before you run any test make sure you open device manager and confirm that there is an unknown PCI Data Acquisition and Signal processing controller if there isn't you need to follow the steps again.

This method worked for me with no issues to performance or thermals 

though the computer does run slightly hotter at idle

pentastra

batmalin said:

This is another one but I do not recommend it:

Open device manager 

Click on System devices 

Find Intel(R) Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Processor Participant

Right click and uninstall device (make sure you click delete driver software) and then Scan for hardware changes 

you should find an unknown PCI Data Acquisition and Signal processing controller, right click and disable this.

this should usually work but NOTE: that windows will automatically update the driver and restore it back so you need to change both your Ethernet and WiFi settings to metered connections in the windows settings for network and internet.

before you run any test make sure you open device manager and confirm that there is an unknown PCI Data Acquisition and Signal processing controller if there isn't you need to follow the steps again.

This method worked for me with no issues to performance or thermals 

though the computer does run slightly hotter at idle

Interestingly, there is no Intel(R) Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework Processor Participant    

batmalin

But there is a thermal subsystem thou.

pentastra

batmalin said:

But there is a thermal subsystem thou.

I turned off my internet connection, uninstalled thermal subsytem and software, disabled  PCI Data Acquisition and Signal processing controller. Opened Intel XTU, I increased Turbo Boost Power Max up to 50w and Turbo Boost Short Power Max up to 75w. Start to stress test. but still same problem. You can see the screenshots. Package TDP is still 45w and 56w for turbo boost and turbo boost short. During the stres test, cpus are around 3.44 ghz. While cpu is idle, it is 4.20 ghz. 

I guess there is no solution for power limit throttling. Thank you for your effort and help.

batmalin

You are welcome, sorry that I was not able to help

pentastra

batmalin said:

You are welcome, sorry that I was not able to help

No problem, thanks again bro.